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when i was a kid, i loved going to the zoo. thank you very much. i mean, it was the only place where i could see wild exotic animals without traveling halfway around the world. and now that i have a kid of my own, i get to relive that experience every time i take him to the zoo. but are the animals as happy to see us as we are to see them? once upon a time, zoos existed solely for our entertainment. as we became more enlightened, their scope broadened to include education, but in this day and age, is it really fair to put animals on display for the price of a ticket? shouldn't we be looking at things from their perspective and what roles do zoos play in
our lives today? to find out, i'm going inside the detroit zoo and becoming a zookeeper. home to more than 2600 animals of 265 different species, it's a bustling ecosystem filled with animals and their keepers. as a member of the association of zoos and aquariums or the aza, it's one of the most well-respected zoos in the united states. if there's any place that can give me an insight on the issue, it's here. >> morgan. >> hey, how are you? >> i'm meeting scott carter, the chief life sciences officer here to get me started. >> the detroit zoo was built in the late '20s and it was designed to not have cages. >> it opened in 1928 and has since become one of the most popular family attractions in michigan. it's such a fixture in the community that it's been unaffected by the bankruptcy of the city. how much does it cost to run a zoo like this? >> annual budget about $30 million.
>> how many people come here a year? >> about 1.3 million. >> wow. what do people come to zoos for? >> people come to zoos because they want to see animals. >> that's why i went to zoos. that's why i take my little boy to a zoo. >> and that's your expectation. >> yes. >> when you're there. so -- >> god forbid you learn something. >> we don't use the god forbid part. >> with the staff of over 200 people and over a thousand volunteers, it takes a small city to run the zoo. and i'm joining the ranks in being put to work. >> okay, well, we've got to start you off right. you've got to look like a zookeeper. >> okay. >> so here is a shirt. from here on out, you'll work with animal staff. be with someone at all times. they'll know when an emergency is called. should it happen, it's unlikely, but they will know exactly what to do, and you earl going to
take orders and do what you're told. >> great. i'm very good at that. >> excellent. >> love getting labor like this. >> well, thank you very much. thanks for having me. appreciate it. >> looking forward to it. >> now that i'm a card carrying zookeeper, my first task is to feed the animals. what's in this meat? what are we giving them? what is that? >> beef and horse and some other things. >> there's a spoon for you. >> okay. >> so basically what you do is put a little bit on the spoon, and she'll grab it with her lips. is this your first time feeding meat? >> yes, this is my first time feeding meat off the spoon to a grizzly bear. >> definitely a first. >> there you go, perfect. >> never thought i'd be feeding warthogs. >> yeah, there you go. and release it. perfect. >> boom. it's gone. look at that. >> good job. >> that tongue is crazy. >> isn't it? it's really rough, almost like a
cow's tongue. >> that's crazy. you're like gene simmons. in just a few hours, i already feel like i've fed the entire animal kingdom and now it's dinnertime at the primemate house. >> gorillas eat all fruits and vegetables and also get some formulated primate chow. >> looks like this. feels like a really, really dry cracker. makes you like super regular? >> probably. >> so how many gorillas are there? >> three. they're all half brothers. chip, penga and congo. >> anything i should or shouldn't do? >> something important is direct eye contact in primate culture is considered a threat. while you and i talk with direct eye contact, it's actually a threat for them.
>> okay. >> so usually look chest high on them or directly past them. one always seems to fall out. the first thing we do, i checked on the way down, make sure all the cages are locked. they come into these individual stalls and eat their dinner or breakfast, depending on the time of day. i'll let you operate the door if you'd like. >> there he is. whoa, he's pursing his lips. he's unhappy. >> that's called a threat face. they stand very rigid. and very tall and then purse their lips and really very tight. >> right. >> and then when you give them things, make sure your fingers don't cross. >> yeah. >> and they can just take it from you.
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caretaker here at the detroit zoo to better understand zoos and their relevance in our culture. what started out as a light hearted day ended up with surprisingly intense encounter with some hungry gorillas. so today, i'm going to downshift to something a bit more my speed. penguins. >> going to put that bucket down there. >> okay, so what do we -- what's first? >> we're going to clean. we have to hose and scrub. >> okay. this is like more work than i thought you have to do in a zoo. >> oh, yeah. you have to make sure their space is nice and clean, not just cuddling and playing with animals all day. >> go ahead, go ahead. penguin train coming through.
that is a very loud noise you're making, little tiny bird. i've got an assistant here. you have to watch where you walk. otherwise you might step on a penguin. what is the temperature inside here? >> the temperature is about 46 degrees today. >> okay. >> we keep it between 45 and 50. >> okay. >> so it's kind of like their summer temperature. >> do they just nest on the rocks? >> yep. they're sitting on dummy eggs. you can see how they're kind of hunched over, be able to see the egg underneath him and that's a fake egg that they're sitting on just so the real ones aren't getting broken. >> so these are the fake eggs. where are the real ones? >> and this is our incubation room and nursery. >> oh, wow. >> where we have our chicks. they are 13 days old and 14 days old. >> 13 days old. well, they seem big for only like 13 days old. >> they grow very fast. >> what stage do you, like, take
the eggs? >> what we'll do is give them the fake eggs for incubation period and the end of the breeding season, we'll pull the egg from the nest. they hang out for a couple days and then they're off and completely forgotten. >> okay, does it change the experience for the chick by not having the adult penguin to model after? >> they look to us as parents for the first few years. but then once hormones start, it's like -- >> they're done. >> you're nothing to me. >> why is it so important to have a place like this where you can actually take care of the eggs and raise the chicks? >> we do want to be able to raise chicks and further the population in captivity. >> good. i found it disconcerting the penguins are raised away from parents only to live lives entirely in captivity. is this the case with all the animals at the zoo? i'm checking in with scott carter for more. do you plan that or let it happen? >> for a lot of species, that's
planned and planned by people from a lot of different zoos. >> okay. >> the species survival plan program is a long-term manageable program for a specific species. >> in other words, a highly organized breeding program. the species survival plan, or ssp, was founded by the association of zoos and aquariums. each species has its own ssp, which tracks the genetic information of every animal. they keep a book of who was bred with whom and a population plan to keep track of which zoo has which animal and how to transfer animals to different zoos to procreate with an eligible mate. this modern day noah's ark ensure the species are sustained in captivity for years to come, not to mention ensuring a constant stream of cute babies to keep visitors coming. >> if we have this reservoir in captivity, it is a bit of a stopgap, could be a stopgap to
the complete elimination of that species from the planet, you know? >> no one wants to see animals go instinct, but who's benefitting? the animals or the zoo? they're sustaining a population, but they're also selling tickets and keeling their doors open. that means they're breeding generations of animals who aren't really wild. how does this affect their quality of life? i'm meeting with the zoo's director of animal welfare to find out. how are you? >> good, how are you? >> i'm morgan. >> stephanie, how are you? >> good. how can you tell if an animal is happy? >> it would be great if i could ask them, but unfortunately, i don't speak their languages. >> zebra or giraffe. >> i don't speak their language. shame because that would make my job easier. we have to spend time watching them. we look for behavioral indicators. we also look for physiological indicators. >> what are some of the behavioral patterns they would exhibit if they were happy and thriving. >> they should be engaged with
their environment. they should, you know, participate in enrichment activities, they should engage in socially normal behaviors, they should want to engage with other social partners. you really have to think about what it might mean for an individual animal or species in a specific location and think to yourself, is this really the best thing for them? >> yeah. stephanie is going to walk me through the hands-on research that she leads the zookeepers through. so, steph, why are we here at the warthog area? >> participants in the workshop that we host here. we have them come into the warthog habitat and experience as a human would but then we have them following up experiencing as a warthog. >> got to get my warthog on. >> nice. >> when you're down here, it smells a bit like doody.
if you're wondering, at what point does this smart to smell like doody, right now. here, it's not smelling good. it's cool in here though. this would be my place. i would get in here, i just curl up, i'd take a little nap. [ snorting ] oh, and there's mud. see, there's nice cool mud down here. this is where i'd lay too. i'd lay right down here as a warthog. >> so one of the things you've picked up on is there's lots of places they can choose to be. we offer them similar and comforting places to choose to be in public view or out of public view, and there's lots of options. that's a really important thing about animals housed in groups. you want to make sure all of them have opportunities. >> i feel like i'm starting to
get an idea of the effect of being in a zoo or being in captivity has on an animal. like the smaller animals have the ability to duck away and hide, not have people stairing into their homes all the time. but what about the bigger animals, someone like the gorillas even? the detroit zoo has been conducting detailed research in the lives of gorillas since they arrived over a decade ago. the three half brothers were born into captivity at the bronx zoo but moved here as a bachelor group part of the gorillas species survival plan. bachelor groups rarely last this long in the wild so stephanie and her team are trying to determine if these boys are getting along. >> so you want to collect gorilla data? >> that's what i've been charged with. >> what's going to happen is every ten minutes, you have to run around, and find three gorillas and mark down what each gorilla is doing, note down any kind of social behaviors that you see.
>> that's pende and now just kicking it. i didn't hit anyone. cold chilling, looking through a window. threat display. chip, that right? that's chip? >> yeah. >> i got to mark that down. now threat display. >> oh, that's definitely a threat. oh, here comes chip. also in a threat. so these are, and that's a threat display right there and another threat display and now they're in prolonged threat. so anything longer than five seconds, we call it prolonged. >> prolonged threat? >> yep. >> in doing research, we saw the gorillas are displaying a lot. so maybe they're not so happy being stuck together. what long-term effect is this having on them?
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the gorillas seem pretty anxious. if they're regularly stressed, is that having an effect on their well being? observing behaviors is one thing but how do you get up close to assess the physical health? what are we doing today? >> today, we're going to do some training. i'm going to train you using positive reinforcement and conditioning. so we'll see how that goes for you. that way you can experience how they feel when they don't understand what i mean and what i want them to do. >> okay. >> because we can't say foot and expect to know what we need. >> the zookeepers developed a way to communicate with the gorillas to conduct health check-ups. before i help out with that, i need to learn the language. >> there you are. >> i get to go in my monkey cage? >> yep. >> and actually also going to give you these fake gloves
because they obviously have bigger hands than we do, and don't have as much dexterity. >> okay. >> so that will make it a little unique. so we use a clicker here. in the beginning of training, i would teach you that a click means you get a treat and just understand that that means you did something correct, you're behaving in your cell, being calm. great job. >> what if i'm not? >> a lot of times we use -- a lot of times in that case, we just simply turn and walk a little bit away, so you would understand that i'm not ready to work with you in that situation. good job. very nice. good. so then once that's established,
you understand this means good. i'm getting a treat. then we start working with something we call a target. so i could use this as you move here and you would come and target, so i could touch your hand and say that i want it here. and that is an easy way to get things where you need them to go. okay. so what we're going to do now is i'm going to use an arbitrary word that doesn't mean what i want you to do because, obviously, if i said what i wanted you to do, you would know. so i'm going to use the word zap and train you to do zap. what that means. good. good. zap. good. now i just trained you for chest presentation for ultrasound. that meant chest. >> yeah.
so look at that. i'm not a half bad gorilla. >> no, you're not bad. >> see. now it's time for the real gorillas to come in for their ultrasounds. >> good morning, kongo. >> we're working with the zoo's chief veterinarian, dr. ann duncan, whose job to monitor the heart health of the three gorillas. and apparently, they have more serious issues than anger management. >> good boy. that's better. good. >> wow. >> excellent. >> kongo. >> so we can catch great clips of the heart pumping. this is the left side of the heart and the right side of the heart and that's one of the valves, the mitro valve on the right side. i think we're done. good job, kongo. we trained our gorillas about 2.5 years ago for this behavior
and been doing it every six months since. >> what's the reason for doing it every six months? >> heart disease. most prominent in the great apes. this is a model of the heart. when we did their very first ultrasounds, we thought their heart wall was a little thick, thicker than we wanted it to be. when that's the case, the heart can't pump as well as it's supposed to and that can be a problem over time. >> you don't know what causes that thickness? >> we don't know what causes it but we know we need to be aware of it and hopefully find a way of treating it. >> in the wild, do they have the same problems? >> there is a group of researchers that went over to cameroon and did exams and didn't see the same degree of heart disease in those animals. >> what would you hypothesize is causing this if mostly animals in captivity? >> the things that are most likely are diet, genetics, and stress is a possibility. and honestly, it could be a combination of all three of those things too. >> what can you do dietwise apart from medication?
>> although we're feeding them vegetables like they would get in the wild, it's not the same plants they would be getting in the wild. you've seen they get a lot of leaves, but i don't think they're getting romaine in the wild habitat. >> i think you're right. it's pretty disappointing to hear that they're suffering from heart disease, an illness they likely wouldn't have in the wild. and it really makes me question why we would want to keep breeding more animals in captivity who may suffer the same fate. >> so chip and kongo with two different heart medications. these are actually human medications. and gorillas actually get half tea and half juice. >> like their own little arnold palmer. >> yes, hold the juice box at the bottom just so we can't get our fingers anywhere too close and just tilt it towards it. >> and he'll just open his mouth
halfway, stop. >> good boy. >> good, kongo. >> good, kongo. look at that. gave my baby gorilla some juice. the great ape project trying to create the most healthy environment, deal with health problems and do everything they can to give them the longest healthiest quality of life possible but what you realize is part of the health problems they're facing are caused by the fact they are in captivity. how do we get past that, how do we fix the problem and make sure we never create that problem ever again? (melodic, calm music.) hi this is conor. sorry i missed you. i'm either away from my desk or on another call.
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i've gotten to do some pretty amazing things here at the zoo and got to feed some baby animals, got to bond with the gorillas and even gotten to become an animal and while i've gotten an education, have i retained that and can i pass that to people? to test my knowledge in the area i have the most experience, i'm
going to become a doesent to see if i can teach people about gorillas. he's a western lowland gorilla from west africa. >> endangered? >> critically endangered, which is like two steps away from being extinct. why would you rather be with gorillas than chimpanzees? for one, gorillas are vegetarians. they only eat fruits and vegetables. >> that's what my mom eats. >> yeah? there's a specific scent in the world, nothing smells like a gorilla. >> can you describe it? >> it smells like 100 sweaty teenage boys in like a horse stable. that's what i would say it smells like. smell that scent right there? >> i thought it was -- >> no, that is gorilla musk. killing it. you have any questions about the gorilla? >> they said they're peaceful. how peaceful are they?
>> they're very peaceful. they'll make threatening motions, threatening gestures, most of the time to scare you or another gorilla away. if you go around to the other side, there's a viewing center where you'll probably be able to see the other two. >> very knowledgeable. >> thanks, guys. hear that? she said i was very knowledgeable. the detroit zoo holds itself to a high standard of education and care and as an aza accredited zoo, must continue to meet standards of the association but nearly 3,000 known animal exhibitors in the country and only 200, or less than 10%, the aza seal of approval. what are the standards kept by everyone else? well, it's kind of a mixed bag. >> the unique thing about our zoo versus the big city zoo, we're more one on one personable with our animals. >> come here.
>> meet joe exotic, the founder of the gw zoo with the largest captive tiger population in the world. the zoo exhibits about 140 tigers, 25 lions. >> dad's here to see you. >> and 18 hydrides -- hybrids who are the result of experiments and cross breeding. >> for over 12 years, had the belief that cats came from original saber tooth tiger. what he did was build the large enclosure with a baby lion and tiger and know each other as adults. they bred and had four female ligers. we shocked the world four years later when we had the world's first taligey. okay, we bred a tiger and lion to get the liger and then bred the liger with the white tiger to get the liliger and then back to almost a full blown lion.
because there's too much lion there. a lot of people call me a mad scientist. but i don't need a license to breed tigers. the only thing i need a license for is to be open to the public to educate and funding. never go without a bag of circus peanuts. >> not only breed as he wishes but without a lot of oversight, he can make decisions about the an mall's lives, diet, and care. and joe has some pretty unorthodox methods when it comes to feeding time. those circus peanuts are actually marshmallows. >> you want the whole bag? take the whole bag. had an accident back here in october with one of our workers, stuck her arm in a tiger cage and lost her arm, so now the
protocol is nobody shifts animals or anything except me, so watch out. good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, i'd like to welcome you to the gerld wayne park. i'm joe exotic. this is lightning thunder and peanut will make his way up in a second. we're going to put tigers in your lap. you'll feel the love and bond for just a few minutes of what we do every day of our lives in order to save these majestic creatures. >> despite previous incidents, e he blooefs by interacting with the animals, the general public is more involved with species. >> you can watch tv as long as you want, read as many books as you want. until you fall in love with a baby tiger, in your lap, you'll never care as much as you do after you do that. hands on learning and hands-on education is the only key to these animal's success. your next interaction is to kiss
cletus. the vet cleared him of herpes, so all fine and dandy. >> you're probably how is this possible? is it a health code violation to kiss a camel? what about an alligator on your head? >> oh my god. you've got five seconds, he's going to choke you to death. >> could a python be a choking hazard? well the short answer is no. because in the eyes of the federal government, joe, his breeding practices and entire operation are completely legal and licensed by united states department of agriculture, the only federal agency responsible for oversight. so much for the aza. >> the aza is nothing more than a country club of zoos. okay? they have no special powers, they have no funding that they give anybody. there you go. look, hon, look look.
half a dozen credited agencies out there. the united states zoological association credits, zoological association out of florida accredits. what does it do for any of us? absolutely nothing. >> joe does have a point. under the animal welfare act, the usda only oversees minimal standards of housing and public safety which means 90% of the zoos in america are left to their own devices to make decisions about breeding and conservation. >> i make cage one tranquilizing a cat. there's no certification for tranquilizing animals like that but you do have to have enough training by your vet of record. which is a good fact. it will take care to calm down
and then can pet on her, love on her. people have such the wrong idea of tranquilizers. it's not just shoot them and they go down. it's not a quick process. what you doing, girlfriend? you going to go live in texas. this tiger right here will be going out today to another zoo. >> another function of joe's business is to trade animals to other zoos and circuses. it's clear joe sees nothing wrong with his zoo or standards of animal care. and as far as the federal government is concerned, there is no difference between the gw zoo and the detroit zoo. anywhere you go, the animals are still there for our benefit. meet the world's newest energy
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even talkshow appearances. >> people ask, how do you get a water buffalo in your studio? well, i did it, baby. >> you're kidding. >> you're the greatest. >> there's so many ways we use animals for our enjoyment without realizing how it affects them. with all the attention that detroit zoo pays for the well being of their animals, will they ever determine they shouldn't be there? that's a great question for the executive director. i'm morgan. >> i'm ron. >> nice to meet you. >> you too. >> are zoos still relevant? do we need zoos in today's world? granted, we have animals brought in in captivity. you can't abandon those. there's responsibilities to those animals, but beyond that, you know, should we be keeping animals in captivity? >> only if they can thrive. what you really expect when you come to a zoo is that you're going to see animals that are thriving. you would not want your zoo to keep animals if you knew that they were suffering.
>> keeping with this philosophy, the detroit zoo realized they couldn't have a happy environment for their elephants, winky and wanda. >> they would have to be cooped inside for months at a time. we just felt that's wrong. we knew they were suffering. we tried to make it better but didn't see any path that fundamentally that was going to do that. after a lot of, you know, heart ache, we said what's best for them is to do this and ultimately were successful and sent them to a fabulous sanctuary in california we've been working with for 20 years. >> what's the response with the people who come to the zoo? they say, but we love the elephants. >> that's the point. we love the elephants. we don't want them to suffer. yes, a few people are still upset with us. i think the vast majority of our community understood the discussion and supported our decision. a lot of people said we were going to lose audience and when we moved the elephants, our attendance numbers about a
million a year, and now 1.3 million. the critics are not always right. >> winky and wanda moved to their sanctuary called paws, a performing animal welfare society sanctuary in california. here, there are no cages or visitors, just a lot of space to roam free. while winky passed away a few years ago unfortunately, wanda enjoys her life away from the crowds. >> you can see the far ridge -- >> right there in between the two? >> yes, that is the far edge of the property. >> they founded the paws 20 years ago as a sanctuary for animals. it is now home to 75 animals, but you would never know it at first glance. i mean you come to the place
like this it is night and day to any zoo on earth. the whole area of this place is bigger than any zoo i've ever been to. this is nothing like a zoo. it is like the animals getting to be be animals. this at least feels natural, and what a great place to come see them, but that is the whole idea of the sanctuary is that you can't come see them. it is a catch 22. you can see them now, so enjoy this, because it is pretty awesome. >> good boy, nick. >> and besides giving them the freedom to roam outside all day, they come inside for medical treatment for the health problems caused by a lifetime of captivity. what are the problems that you will see in the health of animals in captivity? >> they will develop arthritis, and with that the arthritis, they will develop, you know, curved joints,'ll have pigeon toes, bear weight in an abnormal way that puts pressure
on the digits, and they have abscesses in the feet that needs constant care, because elephants are designed by nature to keep walking, keep moving, keep eating and busy and walking, and in captivity they are not given the space to keep doing that or the freedom to keep doing that. >> and these are the targets, and he has a bucket of treats. getting him to come, and wrap his trunk around it. he is losing a tooth, and we check the tooth on the upper left side. >> i take blood from him a couple of times a year. just like we go to the doctor for a checkup, the same kind of thing to make sure that he is healthy. ready. okay. sticking. >> good boy. good boy. >> so there's the blood coming out. >> good boy. >> he didn't flinch.
>> here, morgan, let's have a look at the foot. >> good boy. >> so elephants, in captivity they suffer from a lot of foot problems. they can develop infections, and we check their feet, but this is a healthy looking foot. >> what should be done with the animals in captivity? >> stop breeding them. give the ones here a really, really good quality of life for the rest of their lives and stop, just stop. we we consider the people of detroit good friends, everybody. >> yeah. and it's a nice zoo. >> it's a great zoo. >> but the question comes down to an ethical and philosophical one of should we have zoos. >> should we have captivity. >> i try never to -- just because our target is not zoos.
>> it is captivity. >> just captivity. us included. >> so should we have captivity? >> i don't think it is doing any good. >> yeah. >> what ed and the team at paws are doing is amazing, but it is clear to see that after a life in captivity, these animals are still not free. every aspect of their lives have to be managed, since they were never able to learn the skills required to take care of themselves. it makes you stop to think about the implications of keeping wild animals captive.
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i find it encouraging that the folks at the detroit zoo decided to pull the elephants and put them in a sanctuary and as you can tell they are not hurting for the attendance, the place is still packed. the bigger question is if in time if the research will show that if there are other animals that will benefit by being in another place. after everything that i have seen and experienced in the last week, i am checking in with scott carter to see what he thinks is the future of zoos. do you feel since it is a zoo and people can come the animals have the ability to
thrive or will the human interaction always impact that? >> animals are always going to be impacted by the people, that is true in the zoo or in the wild. >> would it be better if you would say, we're going to have a zoo but nobody can come and visit? >> that is not going to be a zoo. zoos are reflecting the public attitudes. there's already been this huge shift, which puts the emphasis on what animals need. >> do you think there will come a time where we say zoos shouldn't exist? >> i don't think it will happen in my lifetime. i'm not sure in 100 years. but if i were a betting man, i would say in 100 years, the zoos will still be here. >> yeah. >> it's been quite a week working as a zookeeper. but there's one thing i have to do before i retire my badge.
he is ready to go. check him out. so fast, how quick they go through those doors. go outside, buddy. time to go. go ahead, go outside. it's an incredible experience to get to come and kind of spend time with an animal who is so much like us, but at the same time is so nothing like us. you can sense emotion in them. you can sense excitement. but there's still a reality as much as you want to have a real connection with them, that they are still animals. and they have very different needs than we do. my time at the zoo has opened my eyes on the impact on the lives of these animals. if zoos aren't going away, we'll
continue to face the challenge of meeting these animals' needs. but hopefully zoos will continue to evolve, to become less for us, and more for the animals. hello and welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. great to have you was. i'm john vause. coming up this hour, jordan strikes back at isis militants and warns this is just the beginning. we'll take you to the taiwan crash site where stories of survival are starting to emerge. and leadership crisis in australia. the prime minister there now fighting to save his job after losing the confidence from some within his own government. jordan's foreign minister says his government is going after isis with everything they have. jordanian warplanes hammered isis targets in syria on thursday. retaliation for the murder of